When I read all this stuff about rabbis defending Tropper and speaking bad about gerim, I wonder, "where is the yiras shemayim?", "have these people forgotten about Hashem?" They are so into twisting and turning every little detail of the Talmud to cater to their social Judaism... and they trump the Torah. Chareidi is supposed to mean fear, as in FEAR of HEAVEN. So, why aren't more chareidi speaking out on the atrocities going on? How are chareidim like Reuven Feinstein taking money in exchange for their names and their backing? Are we really supposed to believe Tropper feared ShMayim when he was pimping his wife out to a non-Jew that wanted to convert? All Tropper's supporters who are chareidi, we're supposed to think they fear G-d? If someone feared G-d, I would think they would disassociate themselves from this man and his organization.
I reiterate, just because he's a Feinstein related to Moshe, doesn't make him the same person. He is showing his stripes by being bought off.
I wouldn't be so quick to knock R' Reuven Feinstein. Tropper is a creep, and all evidence seems to clearly back that up. But R' Reuven is a good guy, and we may not know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, or what he actually did and said.
ReplyDeleteYou are not gaining any credibility referring to Talmidei chachamim without respect.
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ReplyDeleteI simply don't understand why he isn't trying to distance himself from such corruption. It doesn't look good for him. He may be a good guy. However, being good is separate from being wise. A wise man would be concerned about associating with such an organization. The word on the street is that he got money (3 million) from Tropper and this has clouded his judgement.
Anonymous,
The last time I checked, talmid chachmum meant "wise student."
From Webster's, the definition of WISE:
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): wis·er; wis·est
Etymology: Middle English wis, from Old English wīs; akin to Old High German wīs wise, Old English witan to know — more at wit
Date: before 12th century
1 a : characterized by wisdom : marked by deep understanding, keen discernment, and a capacity for sound judgment b : exercising or showing sound judgment : prudent (a wise investor)
2 a : evidencing or hinting at the possession of inside information : knowing b : possessing inside information (the police got wise to his whereabouts) c : crafty, shrewd d : aware of or informed about a particular matter —usually used in the comparative in negative constructions with the (was none the wiser about their plans)
3 archaic : skilled in magic or divination
4 : insolent, smart-alecky, fresh (a tough kid with a wise mouth)
— wise·ly adverb
— wise·ness noun
synonyms wise, sage, sapient, judicious, prudent, sensible, sane mean having or showing sound judgment. wise suggests great understanding of people and of situations and unusual discernment and judgment in dealing with them (wise beyond his tender years). sage suggests wide experience, great learning, and wisdom (the sage advice of my father). sapient suggests great sagacity and discernment (the sapient musings of an old philosopher). judicious stresses a capacity for reaching wise decisions or just conclusions (judicious parents using kindness and discipline in equal measure). prudent suggests exercise of the restraint of sound practical wisdom and discretion (a prudent decision to wait out the storm). sensible applies to action guided and restrained by good sense and rationality (a sensible woman who was not fooled by flattery). sane stresses mental soundness, rationality, and levelheadedness (remained sane even in times of crises).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wise
These rabbis do not display good judgement by first failing to see through Tropper and second by failing to speak out against him and allowing him to continue on as the head of a BT school. Therefore, they may be "big name rabbis," however, talmidei chachamim, they are not.
I, and many others, want to see sound judgement by our leadership. They should be wiser than the masses they lead. Why should I follow someone I see as a fool?
I can think of 3 million reasons to knock rabbi "little r" Feinstein. Rav Aba Dunner says that people who received this tainted money should get rid of it.
ReplyDeleteThe odds are 1 in 3 million the "rabbi" won't do it.
I am not defending or defaming Rabbi Reuven Feinstein here.
ReplyDeleteJust beause someone is a rabbi, doesnt mean he always knows how to act in the real world. Many people do not understand evil and it might be hard for him to understand the whole situation.
Thats why many pulpit Rabbis are asked to take psychological courses to deal with real life issues. Since he has studied all day He never did.
it has been hard for the Haredi world to deal with sexual abuse