Saturday, January 9, 2010

To be fair to Bee Zee....

Perhaps, his comments didn't blatantly say I was wrong. However, he kept mentioning that he has never seen anyone questioned or verbally cornered at a Shabbos table.

The originally article was me upset because someone who made discreet comments at a Shabbos table supporting the idea that converts, not conversion candidates but, CONVERTS, in other words, Jews can be questioned and watched for the rest of their lives. The person brought this up at the table full well knowing that I was a recent convert at the table. It seemed to me, this was brought up because of me. Furthermore, this same person wants to judge Tropper favorably. I find it annoying that someone feels they should judge Tropper favorably but, for any convert they should feel they get to "watch me" and they do. They watch converts intently and they grill us, waiting to find something so they can say we're not good enough to adorn the title JEW. THAT, is what bugs the stuffing out of me.

Bee Zee has mentioned over and over again that this doesn't happen in his neighborhood. I find that hard to believe. I really do. Perhaps, it's more like it happens and he is not aware of it. Unless Bee Zee is a convert himself, which my instincts don't think he is, then I can't imagine he would know how every convert in his neighborhood is treated.


  1. The Curmudgeonly Israeli Giyoret says:

    "Unless Bee Zee is a convert himself, which my instincts don't think he is..."

    No, I don't think so either. And my "ger-dar" is excellent.

  2. Me either.

    But that does not mean to single him out. Yes not all communities are the same and not all individuals think alike.

    So in saying that. Shouldn't this fellow blogger be given the benefit of the doubt?

    I think so.

  3. What about my benefit of the doubt? The implication seemed as if they were saying it doesn't really happen to me.

  4. Of course you deserve the benefit of the doubt, as we all do.

    It is indeed a shame that these things which you have described on numerous occassions happen to you time and time again.

    In my humble opinion sometimes people are just not comfortable around people who don't seem to fit into the prescribed 'boxes'.

    So at the end of the day why can't we accomodate everyone? Or is that just asking way too much?

    Absolutely Not.

  5. I just realised my spelling error. That was suppose to say 'occasion'.

    Hit the send button too quickly!

  6. This sounds like fun. We can form the Jewish Inquisition. Why not take it to the logical conclusion and start spying on the descendents of converts to see if we should retroactively annul the conversions of their ancestors? As an expert in early modern history and Monty Python I would make an excellent High Inquisitor. I make a mean comfy chair.

    Perhaps we should just leave it at creating blood statutes and not let converts and their descendents become rabbis and get into the better yeshivot.

  7. The Curmudgeonly Israeli Giyoret says:

    No, no, NOT the comfy chair! Rabbi Cardinal Fang, bring out the soft pillow!

    Reminds me of a discussion I had with someone who marvelled at "the way Jews start to look like the people they live around". This inbreeding problem may have gone farther than we feared...